If people didn’t care, they wouldn’t be angry.”, Even when that anger leads people out of the church, it may still contribute to the overall spiritual growth of the person, says Paulist priest Jim Moran, director of Landings International, a 10-week, parish-based program that helps alienated Catholics return to the worshiping community. Copyright © 2020 US Catholic. Even the vibrant community at UCSD is not immune to such an experience. So, Recovering Catholics... consider coming on back. Recently on The Patrick Madrid Show, Patrick read an e-mail from a self-described ‘recovering Catholic’ who is now a Protestant. Many Roman Catholics come to St. Paul’s seeking a smaller worshiping community, a more inclusive environment, or the sacrament of Matrimony for a couple unable to marry in the Roman Catholic Church because of its rules on divorce. Almost without exception, one of the first steps for someone coming back to the church involves forgiveness and reconciliation--to self, to Christ, and to the church. Finally, at age 64 I was able to rid myself of low self esteem. We had so much invested in them. For me, a little better does not mean they are the place for me. With this in mind, hell is not a cosmic torture chamber that a petty (petty to the degree that He is omnipotent and all knowing since He has the power and knowledge necessary to forgive any and all transgressions) and jealous (in the negative sense of the word) God has created where He sends those who have dared to break His arbitrary rules. God is simply Himself because He is eternal, and anything eternal is eternally what it is. Interestingly enough one of the main reasons why I was motivated to convert to Roman Catholicism and now Eastern Orthodoxy is because they are practically the only groups of people widely condemning those personal actions that begin in the mind and heart and lead to all of the horrifying evils that people cause each other. If a parish member falls victim to addiction, the Catholic Church provides resources to aid the way back to sobriety, including directly providing drug and alcohol rehab. Young Americans are dying at a rate not seen since the Vietnam War. 5. The behavior of particular clergy (including Church leaders) doesn't represent the whole. The Church believes that anyone can overcome addiction by attending the proper recovery program and dedicating themselves to a sober Catholic sacramental life. The priests who facilitate the program promise only thoughtful dialogue. Like Landings, Theology at the Tap does not promise answers to all questions. God's love is such that He would have created all of it just for you, if you were the only one ever to love Him back. One wants to be fair. If you were raised to eat fruits and vegetable from a can (as I was when I was young), you don't have to still do it as an adult. “Pastors need to be able to balance being a teacher and being with people where they are, moving people forward a bit. Grace is defined as an unmerited gift from God. I was never abused by a priest, not even verbally. I've had to deal with this my whole adult life (I'm 74). Enjoy life. I felt I would never get rid of this guilt, but it is possible with a desire to feel better and a good counselor. Excommunication, for non-Catholics, is tantamount to a sentence of eternal torture in Hell. Sure, some have found their way to other religious or spiritual traditions. They often point to an experience or … The term [recovering Catholic] struck me for the first time as a smug, self-satisfied, self-pitying kind of whine. I am called not to judge, so I will not say this is anyone's fate. As to your reiteration of your misunderstanding of the proper notion of hell (one obviously and regrettably imposed upon you by possibly invincibly ignorant Roman Catholics) I'll repeat that to the degree that God is conceived to be omnipotent and omniscient is the degree to which He is petty if the popular notion of hell is true. I agree with you in so many ways. (He was explaining his first impersonation / impression: James Cagney as a two-year-old.) Corinthians 1:13. 1. ... Catholic, And Apostolic Church, due to The Unity Of The Holy Ghost. As far as the theological insight, this is a forum for psychological discussions (I have training in therapy and psychology though not a practicing therapist) and my comment is likely to be misunderstood. DeVille. ), If humans are to survive, they need to overcome thousands of years of conditioning. Confession. “Righteous, respectful anger has a place in the church,” says Mary Christine O’Connor, adjunct professor of theology at St. John’s University in New York. “One of first things I always have to do is listen to stories of priests who have yelled at them,” Cullen says, “and I have to know more about Roman Catholic marriage law than my own.”. Some, though not all, refer to themselves as ‘recovering Catholics’ if they have left the Catholic faith and still feel ill will toward the church of their upbringing. I had absolutely no desire to inflict the same cruelty on my kids, and did not. I walked away from the church a year after graduation from college but still felt compelled to marry in the church a couple of years later! Show the volunteers who bring you reliable, Catholic … “When new people come, they will only keep coming if they meet somebody, if it catches. If you donate just $5.00, or whatever you can, Catholic Online could keep thriving for years. From their point of view, they are the only true believers. But the mind that understands its relationship with property, with people, with ideas, the mind which no longer struggles with the problems which relationship creates, and for which the solution is not withdrawal but the understanding of love;such a mind alone can understand reality.". Additionally, policies and procedure that come out of the Vatican may or may not sit well with you. St. John's, Newfoundland might be a small, unknown place, but there are bishops there who are part of the whole Catholic System under Rome. 3. The fact that such people exist may not be reason to leave anyway, if one knows that God has accepted you. In fact, about 2/3 of Catholics in the world today live below the equator. Return to the Catholic Church, I don't think so. The Unitarian Universalist and United Churches of Christ have a sex education program called 'Our Whole Lives'. When alienated Catholics engage Cullen in discussion, the Anglican priest finds himself doing apologetics for the Catholic Church, often explaining its teachings and the many demands placed on its priests. Plan a Future Trip! St. Paul’s is considered an Anglo-Catholic parish, and as such Masses include all of the accoutrements Roman Catholics grew up with: stained glass windows, statues, candles, incense, and a communion rail that still serves its original purpose. The comments I read from those supporting or defending the church are impossibly out of touch with reality-even those in this comment section. That's how an atheist/agnostic can find happiness. I was raised to believe that a summer tan was "healthy" and that smoking was good for you since it "calms the nerves." “The teachings of the church are the teachings of the church,” says Father Michael Carrano, as alienated Catholics already know. I was 11 years old when the Catholic Church told ME I was a 'mortal sinner'. As a sibling of a (now deceased) schizophrenic brother, having witnessed the chilling and horrific influence of deeply repressed Catholic attitudes as contributing factors in his non-recovery, I feel qualified to talk of this. A change in air pressure inside a bottle (caused by a burning piece of paper) caused a hardboiled egg to be pushed into the bottle. If we have these people filling our church, we know we’re doing something right.”. Yeah right. “Teaching is an art—a work of art that is ongoing.”. I do not believe in any organized religion. How you were raised or what kind of experience you had as a child isn't necessarily relevant for today. The Vatican Global Conference on Clergy Sexual Abuse, A View from the Pew: Abuse and Messing with Young Minds, How Clericalism Contributes to Sexual Problems Among Priests. Another way to see this is the Gospel shows such shut out of the Kingdom of God at the Last Judgement. In fact, you could write a book about you came to terms with the harm they did to you. Try to make your way to the part of the family that you love most. Recovering Catholics are not Catholic anymore and consider their former faith to be a source of embarrassment, but one so ingrained they may still occasionally find themselves crossing themselves or giving certain answers to certain phrases. Unfortunately, one must accept it on faith that these people don't want to stone you while you have the negative impression that so many crazies would love to were they to know you. “We don’t presume that gays and lesbians are sexually active or that persons in irregular marriages haven’t been reconciled in some internal forum,” Horak says. For me, it was just like that scene in the "Wizard of Oz" - "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". Get rid of the gay pianos and … I doubt we're that important. Somehow, I don't believe the author really has the catholic scars that some of us bear. This is not holiness. His inspiration stems from a spontaneous two-hour conversation that he had with a group of young adults after Mass at his first Brooklyn parish decades ago. The Church includes not only those who trouble us but the Mother Teresas, Dorothy Days, Bishop Oscar Romeros of the world too. Just because the catholic church is huge doesn't mean it doesn't behave like a cult. That covering-up, downplaying, ignoring, - that's the problem. “People who are gay, divorced, remarried, they know what the church says about all these issues,” Horak says. The rich man who accumulates money through cruelty, through dishonesty, through cunning exploitation believes in God; and you also believe in God, you also are cunning, cruel, suspicious, envious. In certain cases non-Roman Catholic groups showed higher rates of pedophilia and rape charges. In the two years after Harvey, the Disaster Recovery Program of Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston served 22,221 people and continues to provide resources to households that have yet to return to pre-Harvey status. It does. The Roman Church has and had at the time roughly about the same amount of pedophile cases as Protestant churches and civil organization. “They were our best and brightest,” she recalls. This is symptomatic of a sick church and its collateral damage in human suffering and ignorance. It amazes and shocks me that this was still news to anyone in the North American Catholic community in the 21st century. Dissent is punishable by excommunication, as happened to the board of a parish embroiled in a dispute with our local Archdiocese. Assuming the extramarital relationship is over, successfully recovering from an affair involves the following steps that usually require the support of a competent therapist to negotiate effectively. Communicating church teaching often means striking a balance between affirming particular teachings and acknowledging the reality of parishioners’ experiences. I bump into them constantly given the nature of my professional life. Everyone deserves peace and happiness in life and the Catholic church robbed many of this right. Pretty much puts an end to any form of happiness in childhood with all of that crap being thrown around. Threats and bullying are always the Church's remedy of last resort. To really understand the crippling nature of any organized religion, I suggest taking some journeys with Jiddu Krishnamurti. 32: “And if by the will of Christ some are made teachers, pastors and dispensers of mysteries on behalf of others, yet all share … I will say the fact that existence exists is pretty freaking incredible. The abuse you describe has clearly done you a great deal of harm, which should not be dismissed or minimized. Cardinal Ratzinger, before he became Pope said as much, albeit decades before his becoming radically conservative. Though members of both communities still maintain friendships with each other, the break was painful. “These Catholics need to get away to get a sense of perspective,” he adds. As for Hell, it's said to be a state that lasts forever---infinite punishment for finite 'crimes'. Research supports this too. Yes, the Church varies somewhat from country to country and from congregation to congregation. My deconversion began after 42 years of Catholicism. I have plenty myself and have heard many as a psychologist as well as an engaged Catholic. This has been a difficult thing to encounter-that the church that taught me so much about the love of God, in liturgy and song, should have had a past that has resurfaced like a cancer come out of remission. One might find it hard to believe, but a pamphlet published in the '70's intended to address the problem of recruitment by cults had a contribution by a Jesuit that included the statement that "no-one has a monopoly on truth"-and evidence of a cult includes its us of "intransigent dogmatism". My last point on this is that you are looking at effects within an age and culture that has mutated from centuries and a millenia of Christian mentality. In other words, barring some kind of miraculous economic recovery, the Church, at least in the U.S., ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Masturbation isn't 'gravely disordered', as the Church has it. Keeping people ignorant isn't going to magically make sex go out of style, just look at the teen pregnancy and STD rates in states like Texas compared to those with comprehensive sex ed. Religious fundamentalists or Taliban Catholics, as they are sometimes called) are not really Christian, in my view. People have said to me, "You just have to have faith". This is not the Gospel. To pump a child full of this nonsense day after day using the most apocalyptic threats is absolutely abusive. From what I hear they are getting a little better. The Catholic Church wasn’t the only group involved in witch hunts, but it kicked things off with Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of Witches), a doozy of a book written in 1487, after Pope Innocent VIII declared, by papal bull, witches were real and a threat (due to their involvement with Satan). But if one must fight fire with fire, whoever said that Catholics so-called can never go to hell knows not what he is talking about. The problem here is that the conception of hell is a completely fictitious, Danteesque one that has never been the proper teaching of the Church. The real tragedy is that with this Pope such intolerance is coming out of the woodwork, like termites and carpenter ants. Via is a former member of the Catholic Community at UCSD, and when she started her parish two years ago, some of the adults who had been part of UCSD’s Catholic Community left to join her. But they are not dying in combat – they’re dying of the effects of drug overdoses, alcoholism, mental illness and suicide, at a rate 200 percent higher than the 1980s in much of the United States. "But I said so" is not a good reason. Sexual fantasy and masturbation are normal and necessary parts of healthy human sexual development. And I have received the sacrifice of your life,’ ” she said. Instead it is the self-created and totally unnecessary self-alienation from the source of all peace, joy and perfection. We are located in Fort Recovery, OH and you can find directions to our parish here. Only time will tell if what I foresee will come to pass one day. They have left the Church but often have not found someplace else to go for religious and spiritual growth and engagement. “I like to call us recovering Catholics,” she says with a laugh. You may just need to find your particular corner in it. And when your son spirals down the twister of uncontrollable passions thereby reducing himself to half of the man he could have been raised to be, a reservoir of pop culture knowledge and self-serving desires only able to speak about his own likes and dislikes (sports, women, whatever meaningless music etc.) Most people donate because Catholic Online is useful. The Episcopal Church is also a more loving, accepting group. “From a distance, they realize a lot of times that they are not leaving the Catholic faith, but they’re leaving a particular priest or a localized Catholic expression of the Catholic faith.”. Psychology Today © 2020 Sussex Publishers, LLC, Research Suggests Coronavirus Causes a Storm in the Brain, Falling in Love With Someone You Shouldn’t, What to Do About Vaccine Hesitancy During COVID-19, Ex-Catholics have good reasons for staying away. Would you send back a child to violently abusive parent because they would otherwise miss their father/mother, or would you call child services and help the child move on to a better situation? But now that everyone and his uncle wants the world to know what they are thinking it is possible to become aware of what many Catholics believe and the result is disturbing. Whether your religion is based on pride and pious fictions or has a basis in the real love of God matters to me. After high school I moved away to college, stopped going to church, and have been trying to recover from my Catholic upbringing ever since. “And it was interesting to see that once people moved on, some of that anger got released.”. The only church they know is one in the media.”. Anonymous, you're sadly mistaken. I know I am ignorant, but no more so than anybody else. This multiple interpretation nonsense is extremely dangerous and misleading. As someone once said, the best advertisement for leaving the Church can be Catholics themselves. “It’s important for all of us to keep in mind that they love the Catholic Church,” Neu says. I find this troubling for a variety of reasons but one important one is that they have not benefited from many of the positive elements of spirituality and religion (within or outside of the Catholic tradition) that I have discussed in previous blog posts as well as in several recent books (perhaps most notably my 2009 book, Spiritual Practices in Psychotherapy and my 2010 book, Contemplative Practices in Action). Deacon … So what can a recovering Catholic use for a new route? From San Antonio Catholic Beat: “I grew up in an Irish Catholic family, and I think they force you to watch every James Cagney movie.” That was Jimmy Fallon’s first mention of his Catholicism on his recent NPR Fresh Air interview. I just wish I could get over the people, lay and clergy alike, who want to ruin my experence of Church with their fundamnetalist views. It’s a tender situation. “They were movers and shakers in our community, our student leaders. There are only two kinds of Catholics: heretics and the faithful. Welcome to Catholics in Recovery Catholics in Recovery Mission Statement: "Catholics in recovery is a group of men and women who join together on a monthly basis to celebrate Mass together, enjoy a meal, and share with each other the experience, strength and hope of their individual journeys. I know I'm probably just going to illustrate your point, but telling me to get over it feels really horrible. But it is an ugly disease, nonetheless. Many Recovering Catholics hold a lot of anger and rage..a lot!. “And when you’re away from the church, you’re often not in touch with Catholics. Christianity in particular has many "sins" (a great word once its true meaning is known) to atone for. And that something must be another religion. The Church is like a very big family. The damage I sustained over 16 years of catholic schools (8 with the jesuits) was not physical ( although I had a near-miss in "grammar" school) but spiritual. Neu finds it difficult to apply the term “alienated Catholic” to people she knows to be so deeply Catholic and notes that they continue to call themselves Roman Catholics. I totally agree. It only makes me angry. What happend in 1950 or 1960 or 1970, for example, doesn't mean that it is still true now. For to possess God is to possess Him who determines everything the way it is. It is the aim of Catholic in Recovery to share the Good News that God can bring about healing and recovery, even in the most hopeless of cases. Psilocybin 2.0: Why Do We Have Reason to Believe? Feeling the Holiday Blues Due to COVID? For me it was an egg and a rock. My gut says no afterlife. I read the doctrines, the bible, books both for and against, asked questions and made up my own mine. Adam A.J. True holiness is very much grounded in reality. I was in the ninth grade when the bishop came to our class and told us not to pay any mind to all the bad things we were going to be hearing about the church in the news. Each one claims *it* is the correct one and the *only* way to salvation. The fact that spirituality is what draws people to the church—rather than agreement with every rule—is also affirmed in programs like Landings, says Moran. Get over it. I agree with you that no such god could be called a god of love but at the same time a proper notion of hell wouldn't dispense with the serious possibility of a soul eternally closing themselve's off from the free love and mercy of God. The real scandal, is that this happened so late. It might frsutrate or anger you but they don't represent everyone. I am one Catholic who reads the Bible, and knows it well enough to refute any evil and legalistic doctrine that can come from higher-up the ladder of ecclesiastical privelege. No such self-evident a priori principle can prove the opposite. It is possible to become free of the hold and realize you are a great person. Avoid the parts of the family that you don't want anything to do with. “They don’t want to be cut off; they want to model a more inclusive church. As St. John puts it: "God is love." The longevity of the scam adds to its presumed legitimacy especially to a kid, even a teenager, with no other reference points. I think the author should be locked in a closet for a couple days to think about what they've said, oh, i'm sorry that only happens in catholic school. "Get over it" doesn't really help. I don't want to belong to a church with such people, period. 1. “Anger and love are just a hair away from being the same thing. They may disagree with the church’s teachings on divorce, remarriage, homosexuality, or birth control. A deacon who was stabbed outside a Michigan church this month is recovering in a rehabilitation hospital, the Diocese of Kalamazoo reported this week. San Diego is now home to St. Mary Magdalene the Apostle Church, a parish led by Jane Via, who claims to be a Catholic priest but whose ordination ceremony was condemned by the Vatican and her local bishop. When one is damaged badly, they should not rush back to the abuser. Landings puts people who have been away in touch with people who can answer their questions.”. Your comment is refreshing. Catholic in Recovery is a nonprofit organization that seeks to serve those suffering from addictions and unhealthy attachments (including alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography addiction, sex and relationship addiction, compulsive overeating and food addictions, gambling addiction, codependency and the impact on family, and general fear, control, and anxiety). Sorry, but get over it. And I can hardly forget that I was 11 years old when the Church threatened ME with eternal torture because I was a normal child starting to grow up and have sexual feelings. I was a normal kid, starting to grow up and think about girls. Only pandering to the selfish passions of our lower nature can obscure the apodicticity of these moral principles. Some agree with Church teachings on hot button issues while others do not at all. The egg was a science demonstration of air pressure. 2. The love of God is real, unconditional and everlasting. The abuse scandals in the Church are really no surprise. As millions of Catholics have drifted from the church and then back to it, many have stepped forward to welcome them. Others, however, love the church in which they grew up but are at the same time angry with it. The term [recovering Catholic] struck me for the first time as a smug, self-satisfied, self-pitying kind of whine. “You move them slowly into a position of greater unity. “The church is different from a business,” says Horak, the Jesuit priest and pastor of Old St. Joseph’s Parish in Philadelphia. I wish you well on your journey, Janice. KALAMAZOO, MI -- A deacon at a Kalamazoo church is recovering after being attacked and stabbed outside of a church earlier this month. What Really Goes on in the Mind of a Cheater? Because you collect all the sacred books and the various symbols of God, does that indicate that you are a religious person? Even if you choose not to return to the Catholic Church (although you might if you can find your proper place in it) perhaps the Spirit is alive even when the Church (or particular people in it) has let you down. Well, I obviously don't believe these view today. Finally, be mindful of the anger. However, I often see, in addition to all the anger and upset, a good deal of sadness in their faces. As he greets departing parishioners after Mass, he makes an effort to introduce himself to unfamiliar faces and welcome them to return to his parish. Such teachings represent emotional abuse on a vast scale. The best I can do is remind myself that THIS may be IT. This is not the "third secret of Fatima", it is my secret and now it is a secret no longer. 1. Assuming the extramarital relationship is over, successfully recovering from an affair involves the following steps that usually require the support of a competent therapist to negotiate effectively. Welcome to the Catholic Community of Fort Recovery, Ohio. So yes, recovering catholics have a lot of anger. 2. He avoided describing any particular institution or religous body, instead portraying a principle of spiritual insight, which, if properly understood would address the situation in the Church today. The Church in Latin America looks very different than the one in Africa or Vietnam, or in Rome. What I've come to notice, in the US especially, is that when a person volunteers, passionately so, the term "I am a Christian" what follows immediately after almost always involves the perpetration of some person or group and then an immediate fall back into "victimhood" of their chosen religious belief with the posture of "I'm only saying 'it' in the name of the Lord" ... its not a wonder that Recovering Catholics tend to be angry .. When HEALTHY sexuality is absolutely forbidden and never develops, the only thing left to that person is sexual pathology---exactly as we've seen again and again in Catholic clergy and nuns. So, your religion, your belief in God, is an escape from actuality, and therefore it is no religion at all. Churches are human constructs, each with its own sets of rules, methods and explanations. 100% Catholic. And it is not for missing Mass on Sunday. I do, of course, mean the Sacrament of Confession, but I also mean confession to the wounded spouse. Only in religion do the inmates pity the escapees. You know huge sub woofers on the altar with wicked bass. The shame and guilt and confusion has mostly abated but never will completely, and the effect on my life has been hugely negative. “What I’ve learned from this is that deep pain, unresolved anger, and frustration can lead some to a tipping point,” Neu adds. Recovering Catholics also point to hot button issues in the Church such as the clergy sexual abuse scandals (which has often dominated the news) and the official Church positions on abortion, contraception use, homosexuality, divorce, masturbation, premarital sex, and a host of other typically sexual ethics issues (which also often dominate press reports about the Church). The "unforgiveable sin" the "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is the rejection of God's mercy and forgiveness. What I’m learning from these young people is that the majority of people who leave here leave with a good experience. Among the Catholics at Old St. Joseph’s who may feel alienated from the church are many gay and lesbian parishioners and parishioners in non-traditional marriages. “People need to find a church community where they feel at home. The Church did and does a lot of damage... My Most Important Insight as a Psychotherapist After 40 Years. Hope for the future might be a better way to put it. The Catholic Church would do well to study it. While I have no expectation that you will return here and read this, I still hope and pray that you will find a way forward to healing. A change in air pressure inside a bottle (caused by a burning piece of paper) caused a hardboiled egg to be pushed into the bottle. I don't advocate rushing back to the Catholic Church. This is exactly what we've seen with the abuse scandals in the Church. There are many millions of these prodigal sons. Show the volunteers who bring you reliable, Catholic … I do, of course, mean the Sacrament of Confession, but I also mean confession to the wounded spouse. are that dangerous actions are effects of interior (psychological and spiritual) causes that begin with thoughts and passions. This article appeared in the September 2006 (Volume 71, Number 9; pages 12-17) issue of U.S. Catholic. No decent human being would be nearly so cruel, yet we're supposed to believe that infinite love WOULD. 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